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John_Steinsvold
An Alternative to Capitalism?
Dec 3 2008, 11:07 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 11:07 AM EST
The following link, takes you to a "utopian" article, entitled "Home of the Brave?" which I wrote and appeared in the Athenaeum Library of Philosophy:


http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/steinsvold.htm


John Steinsvold
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etharmon
etharmon
1. RE: An Alternative to Capitalism?
Dec 3 2008, 3:23 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 3:23 PM EST
I have read this article carefully and I am not sure we could pull this off in the near future...but I am sure the day will come when we as a species let go of greed and learn to work together for a sustainable future! I will teach my kids to think in this way...and they will teach their kids...maybe my grandkids generation can make this happen! Great article John! Do you find this valuable?    
stereoagnostic
stereoagnostic
2. RE: An Alternative to Capitalism?
Dec 9 2008, 2:10 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 9 2008, 2:10 PM EST
Humans are selfish by nature, but they also have an excellent capacity to work together. This is why capitalism works and socialism always fails. Your article refers to "distributing goods and services". Who is in charge of making the decision about who gets what? Government? This would require an organized centralized power and centralized power ALWAYS leads to tyranny. Individuals voluntarily trading goods and services is the only humane way for us to exist as a free society.

The problems that we are having right now are because we do not live in a capitalist society. We live in something like an oligarchic democracy or crony capitalist system where an elite few have extensive control over everyone else.
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etharmon
etharmon
3. RE: An Alternative to Capitalism?
Dec 9 2008, 4:22 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 9 2008, 4:22 PM EST
"Humans are selfish by nature, but they also have an excellent capacity to work together. This is why capitalism works and socialism always fails. Your article refers to "distributing goods and services". Who is in charge of making the decision about who gets what? Government? This would require an organized centralized power and centralized power ALWAYS leads to tyranny. Individuals voluntarily trading goods and services is the only humane way for us to exist as a free society.

The problems that we are having right now are because we do not live in a capitalist society. We live in something like an oligarchic democracy or crony capitalist system where an elite few have extensive control over everyone else."
Agreed. What do you think about a "Capitalistic coupon system" were money is not printed but coupons. So instead of a paycheck you get food coupons, travel coupons, consumer product coupons, and savings coupons (401K/Stock Market of sorts) that you can cash in for specific coupons when you retire.)

Maybe that would curb our greed and still allow a Free Market society. I know it kind of out there but I think it is possible...sometime...way in the future.

What do you think?

-Evvie Harmon
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stereoagnostic
stereoagnostic
4. RE: An Alternative to Capitalism?
Dec 10 2008, 6:54 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 10 2008, 6:54 PM EST
The coupon idea is interesting but I don't think it would work. Like money, the more coupons that are printed and in circulation, the less they would be worth. What's the incentive for a store to accept such coupons anyway? Since they're not really intrinsically worth anything there would be no incentive for anyone to want them.

In order for two people to trade, both must have something of value. In order for something to be valuable it has to be useful or be rare. This is why gold has been used as money for thousands of years. It is both useful and rare.
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etharmon
etharmon
5. RE: An Alternative to Capitalism?
Dec 10 2008, 7:29 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 10 2008, 7:29 PM EST
"The coupon idea is interesting but I don't think it would work. Like money, the more coupons that are printed and in circulation, the less they would be worth. What's the incentive for a store to accept such coupons anyway? Since they're not really intrinsically worth anything there would be no incentive for anyone to want them.

In order for two people to trade, both must have something of value. In order for something to be valuable it has to be useful or be rare. This is why gold has been used as money for thousands of years. It is both useful and rare."
Agreed. I just like living in that "what if" world sometimes!
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John_Steinsvold
6. RE: An Alternative to Capitalism?
Nov 6 2009, 7:30 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 6 2009, 7:30 PM EST
"Humans are selfish by nature, but they also have an excellent capacity to work together. This is why capitalism works and socialism always fails. Your article refers to "distributing goods and services". Who is in charge of making the decision about who gets what? Government? This would require an organized centralized power and centralized power ALWAYS leads to tyranny. Individuals voluntarily trading goods and services is the only humane way for us to exist as a free society.

The problems that we are having right now are because we do not live in a capitalist society. We live in something like an oligarchic democracy or crony capitalist system where an elite few have extensive control over everyone else."
Yes, the administration of a way of life without money is a huge problem. As proposed in my essay, a web of "economic bodies" would be created; one for the federal, one for each state and one for each local level. These economic bodies will coordinate the economic traffic in our nation. They will interact with each other as much as modern technology will allow. A balance of supply and demand will be achieved taking every conceivable factor into consideration including conservation and our environment as well as the needs of the people and their craving for luxuries.

In short, these economic bodies will be coordinating what is now our free enterprise system to fulfill the economic needs of our nation.

Today, 50% of Americans are unhappy at their jobs. In a way of life without money, these unhappy people will be free to find the work they love doing. They will be free to "follow their bliss". I believe everybody has some kind of talent or ability they wish to use for the benefit of society. If I'm wrong, a way of life without money will fail. Gaining the proper balance between work and pleasure is essential to a complete life.

John Steinsvold
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